From Ari Shavit's COUNTDOWN series, excerpts :
Ari Shavit's countdown: Former Israeli intelligence chief breaks his silence on Iran
On the Iranian issue there are currently two opposing camps in
Israel − the Netanyahu-Barak camp and the Dagan-Diskin camp. The former says we
must bomb Iran’s nuclear sites in the near future; the latter says we
absolutely should not bomb. Between these two polarized schools of thought,
where do you stand?
“The issue is complex and tricky, and very serious. So much so
that I can’t put it in simplistic terms of whether I’m with Bibi-Barak or
Dagan-Diskin. What I believe in is a kind of third way.
“I agree with Netanyahu and Barak on two things. One: A nuclear
bomb in the hands of a regime that says, day in and day out, that Israel must
be wiped off the map, poses a very high risk to our national security.
Therefore, if a bombing could indeed prevent this bomb, it’s the correct
strategic move. Two: An attack on Iran won’t cause the Middle East to go up in
flames and won’t cause Israel to incur a mortal blow.
“Whoever portrays what will happen the day after the strike as
some sort of war between Gog and Magog that will cost the lives of tens of
thousands of Israelis is overstating the threat. I expect that the Sunni Arab
world won’t be sorry to see such a strike, and that the Iranian response will
be measured and calculated, and absorbable. The damage it causes will be much
smaller than the damage of a nuclear Iran.
“At the same time, I agree with the criticism of the prime
minister and defense minister in two areas. They say that time has almost run
out, but I say there still is time. The decisive year is not 2012 but 2013.
Maybe even early 2014. We have at least half a year left before we reach the
true crossroad where we will have to make the fateful decision. But even when
we reach the crossroad − in order for an Israeli strike to really prevent an
Iranian nuclear bomb for a long time to come, it must enjoy legitimacy.
“Today, Israel does not have enough legitimacy. The world today is
averse to the use of force, and the world does not accept the concept of the
zone of immunity [whereby Iran’s nuclear facilities would be impervious to
military strikes]. Our positions on the Palestinian issue are also weighing
very heavily here.
“The international community believes there is still time for
diplomacy and sanctions. Consequently, our legitimacy battery is almost empty.
Above all, we must cease butting heads with the United States and try to reach
a strategic understanding with it. Israel must shape a policy and take action
to ensure that, if we are compelled to attack, the world will be behind us on
the day we do so.”
So, are Netanyahu and Barak crazy doomsday prophets or responsible
adults? Are they behaving rationally or irrationally?
“I don’t think Netanyahu and Barak are crazy. They made important
achievements between 2009 and 2011. They strengthened the IDF and enabled it to
strengthen the military option, and made it very credible. They made proper and
positive diplomatic use of the military option. They managed to spur the
international community to impose heavy sanctions on Iran. They contributed to
making the American position more assertive, and President Obama explicitly
pledged to prevent a nuclear Iran.
“But over the past year, Netanyahu and Barak went too far. They
turned the screw one time too many. As a result, exaggerated panic has been
created among the public, the Israeli economy has been hurt and oil prices have
also gone up. The harsh responses to all this from the diplomatic and military
leadership in the United States has harmed deterrence. The impression has been
given that Israel is interfering in internal American politics. This is why we
now see such tension between the two countries. Instead of Washington and
Jerusalem slinging arrows together at Iran, they’re slinging arrows at each
other.
“In pilot lingo, I would say that their policy has reached the
stalling point. It’s stopped being useful, and in a certain sense has also even
become dangerous. Both former IDF Chief of Staff [Gabi] Ashkenazi and current
Chief of Staff [Benny] Gantz have done faithful work in building up the
military option versus Iran. It was uncalled for to treat them and the senior
officer ranks with such contempt and disdain. There is no basis for saying that
if the current general staff had been the general staff in 1967, we wouldn’t
have won the Six-Day War.”
Allow me to return to the basic question. Perhaps the fear of a
nuclear Iran is overblown? Perhaps a nuclear Iran is not necessarily a
catastrophe? Perhaps we need to accept it and adjust to it?
“I don’t like the comparisons to the 1930s and to the Holocaust. I
don’t think that if Iran obtains nuclear weapons, it will launch a nuclear
missile at Tel Aviv the next day. I believe in our capabilities and in our
deterrence, and I think that this was precisely why Israel was founded: so it
would have the ability to defend the Jewish people.
“And yet, a nuclear Iran is intolerable due to four very serious
considerations. It’s unclear whether Iran will be a rational player. We may
well be dealing with a culture that sanctifies death and glorifies ‘martyrs’
and suicide bombers, and has a wholly different attitude toward life than we
do. Of course, there will not be symmetry between big Iran and little Israel: A
single atomic bomb will not kill six million people here, but if it explodes in
the center of the country and takes 20,000 lives, life here will become very
problematic, if it can go on at all.
“There is also a danger of unplanned and uncontrolled escalation:
There is no hotline between Tel Aviv and Tehran, and no other stabilizing
mechanisms between us and the Iranians, so the danger of an unplanned nuclear
confrontation is significant. And, finally, nuclear proliferation is a near
certainty: If Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and other states go nuclear, a
multipolar nuclear system will come into being in the Middle East − and by
definition this will be unstable and very dangerous. Such a situation − in
which there will also be substate players − will create a big temptation to
make use of nuclear weapons and could lead to the occurrence of a nuclear
event. So the answer to your question is clear: We mustn’t get carried away with
panic or sow anxiety, but Iran must be prevented from going nuclear.”
You’ve convinced me. I’m with you, but right now Iran is quite
close to going nuclear. You’ve followed the struggle against a nuclear Iran
since 2000 − first as air force chief of staff, then as military attache in
Washington and then as head of Military Intelligence. What opportunities did
the international community and Israel have to stop Iran? What was done in the
last decade, what wasn’t done, and what should have been done?
“The first strategic track that tried to stop the Iranian nuclear
program was dialogue. It was tried by the Europeans and it was tried by the
Obama administration, but it failed. The second strategic track was sanctions.
But the sanctions were applied too little, too late, and even now there are big
holes in them − Russia, China, India. As was previously published, the third
track was some type of secret campaign against Iran. There were people who
pinned great hopes on this, but − if it did indeed take place − it is now clear
that it only delayed the Iranians but did not stop them. It may also have had a
certain anesthetizing effect, since it gave the illusion that a solution was
found. The fourth strategic track was preparation for military intervention,
and the fifth track was waiting for a regime change in Iran.
“As of now, the first three tracks and the fifth track have not
yielded the desired results. I still think we should wait and see whether the
heavy sanctions imposed in July 2012 will bring about a change, but up to now
the change has not happened. The sanctions are hurting the Iranians, but they
aren’t yet altering their behavior or eroding their determination. So the ‘bomb
or bombing’ dilemma could become a real dilemma in the coming year.
“But this, too, mustn’t be understood in a simplistic way. If we
do not act wisely, a situation of ‘bomb and bombing’ could certainly arise. We
could lose out on both ends and suffer the worst of both worlds. To avoid this,
we must have that close cooperation with the United States that I spoke about.
That’s what I meant when I said I am seeking a third way.”
I’m not sure I understood. Please explain.
“What worries me isn’t the day of the strike. I know our
intelligence and our air force well. I’m certain they have developed the
operational capability to deal a serious blow to the Iranian nuclear program.
Whoever doubts Israel’s capability will be surprised. The military option that
the IDF has prepared is genuine and credible.
“And Israel can also cope with what happens the day after the
strike. In a situation where the Sunnis are so fearful of a Shi’ite nuclear
power, I don’t believe a regional war will develop. The likelihood that, in
their present situation, the Syrians will fire missiles at Tel Aviv is not
high. They won’t lay themselves on the line for the Iranians. Hezbollah is a
force that we will clash with sooner or later − with or without a strike on
Iran. So in my estimation, what we can expect is some sort of small-scale copy
of the 1991 Scud attacks, and the 2006 rocket fire [from Hezbollah] and the
bombings in Buenos Aires [on the Israeli Embassy in 1992 and a Jewish community
center in 1994]. I am not thrilled about that. I do not take that lightly.
“Without a doubt, the day after the strike will be a lot less
pleasant than it is now. It may be necessary to evacuate some population
centers at the time of the confrontation. But I’m not panicking. I don’t accept
the position of those who are paralyzed by the fear of rocket fire on Israel.
There is no comparison between the risks of this scenario and the risks of a
nuclear Middle East.
“But what does worry me is the decade after the strike. Even
assuming that the technical strike succeeds, as I am convinced it will, it will
give us just a few years. And it could be another decade before there is regime
change in Iran. So in order to bridge this gap between a successful Israeli
strike and preventing a nuclear Iran, we need the international community and
the United States. We need a sanctions regime that keeps getting stronger and
doesn’t fall apart. We need an Iranian understanding that the strike could be
repeated. We need the world to continue the work that we started, and not to
sabotage it. As things look now, an Israeli strike at this point in time will
not achieve this result since we do not have enough legitimacy and we do not
have sufficient strategic intimacy with the United States. Therefore, even if
the strike goes well, and even if the day after the strike isn’t a day of utter
and terrible destruction, the final result could be that we get an Iranian
bombing and an Iranian bomb.”
Okay, now I get it. So I hereby appoint you as our leader and I
ask: What are you going to do? If you were the prime minister and defense
minister, what would you do?
“I repeat, the bombing option is not out of the question if it
achieves its objective, and if it is done with a strong basis of legitimacy.
But you have to remember that the objective is not the strike itself, but
preventing Iran from obtaining military nuclear capability. Therefore, if I
know that one bombing will stop the bomb, I’m in favor. But if the bombing does
not bring in its wake a worldwide campaign that turns the military achievement
of a successful strike into a strategic achievement of stopping the Iranian
nuclear program, there is no point in carrying out this bombing.
“We can accomplish the bombing by ourselves, but we can’t stop
Iran’s nuclear program by ourselves. So it all depends on the United States
being with us. And what I would do as leader is to enter an honest and genuine
dialogue with the United States. I believe that President Obama intends to
prevent Iran from obtaining military nuclear capability. But in the environment
in which he lives, there are some who feel otherwise. So the chance of the
United States using force to stop Iran is little better than 50 percent, I
believe.
“The purpose of the dialogue is to raise this likelihood. To ask
the Americans to commit themselves now to more than they have committed so far.
To find out − honestly and with discretion − where exactly they stand. To
formulate binding red lines, together with them. One of the problems facing the
Americans is that when they plan a military operation they are planning an
operation with broad security margins, so it involves the employment of massive
force. They are reluctant to undertake such a broad-scale operation because it
means an all-out war on another Islamic country. But if instead of clashing we
conduct a dialogue of allies, we can combine American technological capabilities
with Israeli powers of improvisation, Israeli creativity and Israeli combat
experience. The result could be a surgical strike that is not directed against
the Iranian people and does not entail an invasion of Iran or war in Iran.
“If, the morning after the attack, the Iranians awake to find
that, aside from their nuclear assets, they still hold all their other assets −
the regime, the military, oil − they will know that they have something to
lose. They will know that if they respond forcefully, they will lose much more.
So it is quite likely that an attack of this kind could stop the Iranian
nuclear program without igniting an all-out war. If after the U.S. presidential
election [in November] the elected president is presented with an operational
solution of this sort, I think it is very likely that he will adopt it. Thus it
will be assured that the Iranians will not have a bomb, but if there is a
strike, its implications will not be grave − for the United States or Israel.”
Benjamin Netanyahu apparently thinks otherwise. He thinks there is
no chance the Americans will use force, and that the right time to act is now.
“We absolutely must not do anything before the election in the
United States. We mustn’t try to take advantage of some fleeting opportunity
that seems convenient. We made that mistake already in 1956 [the Sinai
Campaign]. Ben-Gurion insisted that we wouldn’t go to war without the backing
of a superpower. We must do the same now. The zone of immunity is broader and
more flexible than some people describe, so there is no need for an immediate
action. As a democratic country, we also have the duty to exhaust all other
possibilities before embarking on a preemptive war. Therefore, we need to cool
things down, wait until after the U.S. election and then develop a real
dialogue with whoever is elected. I believe that such a dialogue could yield
the right answer to the Iranian nuclear challenge.”
Amos Yadlin’s arguments are rational and sincere. But he did
not explain the crucial point on which everything he says hinges — how do you
get , not “very likely”, but committed , ironclad support against Iran from an
American president who now supports the Muslim Brotherhood, the most virulently
anti-Semitic and anti-American organization ? The fate of millions of Israelis
should not rely on the “very likely” probability that Obama will do in the
future what he has refused to do up till now. I suggest he read Charles Krauthammer's piece Abandonment
And my final comment: When will Ari Shavit start interviewing scholars of Islam?
